I checked my google analytics page today and found my bounce rate was over 80%. After having taken the time to find out what that meant I read google’s (not at all evil) guide to writing web headlines. Hence the title.
I’ve spent the past fortnight polishing up an external I wrote to analyse, segment and store information on sounds in MaxMSP, there are a couple of other objects that do similar stuff like Jehan’s analyzer~ or the mac only and now defunct slice~ but I wanted something that could work offline, automated and in a database friendly fashion. The version I came up with to achieve this uses a fairly thick wrapper, written in mxj, around Holger Crysandt’s java MPEG7 encoder.So what are the five reasons why this might be any use to you?
- How often do you find yourself wishing you had a simple beat slicer like that of recycle, kontakt or live in max that didn’t need a load of patching on your part but could just be dropped in to work with files or audio? I work with libraries of breakbeats in my music making and spend a lot of time slicing, plus for generative art pieces as I am wont to create, segmenting audio is often the first step in reappraising and changing existing works into new ones.
- Wouldn’t it be nice if when the slicing was finished rather than grouping kicks, snares, hats and other percussion by hand you could let the computer do it for you? A slicer that has inbuilt audio analysis is the first step for doing this.
- When you’re working on a beat and you want to try similar sounds wouldn’t it be nice if the computer could suggest similar sounds from a set you’ve specified? Analysed audio with good metadata can make this possible.
- Isn’t life too short to spend an age cutting and labelling every beat before deciding if they even work in a track? By using automated tools for cutting up audio you could test many sounds, find surprising new relationships before saving the segments for use in whatever package you fancy.
- Segmented, meta-data heavy audio file formats such as MPEG7 open up some interesting new possibilities for generative and interactive audio as well as regular music applications, why not get ahead on an emerging standard by spending a few hours knobbing about with it in everyone’s favourite graphical patching language?
That’s it, those were my five reasons, and if you don’t click on the below photo for a closer look at my MPEG7 external development then my bounce rate will only increase. Expect a buggy beta this week.
Screenshot of MPEG7 encoder and database externals for MaxMSP, writing helpfiles and proper documentation are some of the least fun things I do.
“As a developer I know that all the code I write leads to immediately usable, error free, oddity free and intuitive GUIs. Writing documentation and help is for chickens!”
Oh.. if only if were true 🙁
amazing concepts. now just have it write mpc kits and i’m sold! haha JK although sampler export would be cool.
Google loves you. Here I am.
This is an awesome idea. I’d love to try it.
@Joel Corriveau
Hi Joel, you want to beta test ? Do you have max5 ?
@ghostdad
Sampler export is kind of there, it saves wavs and xml describing them to a directory. Midi pattern output would be nice……
I’ve registered the source at sourceforge and will be committing the alpha release later today, it’s got a fair amount of features but some are disabled pending bug reports, I’m having path difficulties in java … If you’re interested in the external try and dl it from sourceforge this weekend after I’ve filled out the svn.
http://mp7encmax.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/mp7encmax/branches/alpha/
Very interesting stuff. Could this be useful in a live sampling context? I’m imagining something along the lines of two pairs of mpeg7encoder objects and buffers alternately listening to a microphone input and picking out the most ‘kick’ ‘snare’ and ‘hihat’-like sounds from a given duration of audio input, and making the positions of these events known to other objects which could deal with mapping specific ‘keys’ (midi notes or whatever) to trigger playback of the sounds that most closely conform to certain types.
@Basement Hum
Yes exactly, live sampling is somewhere you could definitely go with this external. The prototype was built for exactly this in my installation, the stuff I’ve been adding for the general release has been to make it suitable for use with buffers in live. Upto now I’ve manly been using sfplay. Installation pieces with gigabytes of audio don’t really themself to the same idiosyncracies as laptop jamming or anything close to music making.
The example patch for the main release will have a meta sampler using a matrixctrl~ sequencer that allows you to plot the beat in terms of frequency regardless which samples from a database are used.
Thanks a lot, this is great.
Just a question: is it possible to rename the @drawto “lcd” (in the mxj Mpeg7Encoder Object) via a message, script or so? – I would like to use your external & lcd in a bpatcher (+ that it is named automatically).
So I can have more instances of the same bpatcher, each analyzing different buffers & lcd’s.
– Thanks a lot!
@PS
Hi PS, the lcd the draw commands are issued to is an attribute so a message to the external like “drawto lcdname”, where lcdname is the scripting name attribute of your lcd, should do the trick. I say should because I’m not sure whether updating the lcd attribute will actually work, the lcd code is buggy. If it doesn’t work post me your patch and I’ll issue a bug fix. Best of luck and let me know how it goes.
Hey CRX – thanks a lot for the fast reply/help –
So, with including the “drawto” message it does assign the lcd & the external right, and it does work.
The only problem now is occurring by changing the “sliceThreshold” slider. By changing one of the thresholds in a bpatcher you can see that the playback in the others are effected as well – & behave not right (you can see/hear it more easily by choosing a more extreme value).
I will attach two patches, the Main Patch as well as the Bpatcher (its basically your Frecycle patch just with the additions). Hopefully I dont miss something simple…
Thanks a lot for your work –
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1. Main Patch
Name: FrecycleMain.maxpat
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2. BPatcher
Name: frecycleBp.maxpat
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@PS
Hey PS I fixed your patch, it was simple you just needed to add #1 to the name argument of your coll and to the send and receives inside the bpatcher. Enjoy your live sampling and let me know what you develop.
Name: frecycleBp.maxpat
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Hey CRX –
Sorry I should have seen that – the coll was the problem… Thanks a lot for your help!
I am working since some time on a new musical instrument for live performances & your external seemed like a great extension and it is. If you like more info please drop me a Email (the one address that I put in your system).
Again, nice work – thanks
Hello and Thanks for the patch,
It seam like the frecycle can only slice 5 seconds of audio or so, is it not possible to slice like 10min. one song….
@Peter It works for me, are you sure you’ve set the buffer to the right size? I regularly slice 4 – 5 minute pieces of audio.
Thanks crx, it works now:) @crx